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September 21, 2007

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David

Is there a UK Site where I could purchase this?

Nathan Stitt

Here you go:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cambridge-Paragraph-Apocrypha-Morocco-Leather/dp/0521843871/

David

Thanks for the link Nathan.

Surely £311.00 (Over $600) is too expensive - even for this.

I can't seem to find anywhere else to buy it :(

James Cassell

"ought to me experienced." should probably be, "ought to be experienced"

David from Ireland

Sample of the Gospel of Mark here

http://assets.cambridge.org/97805218/43867/excerpt/9780521843867_excerpt2.pdf

Also of Ecclesiastes Here

http://assets.cambridge.org/97805218/43867/excerpt/9780521843867_excerpt.pdf

There is an ebook of this available too, although I know that ebooks are certainly not the theme of this excellent blog!

I will consider making my own loose leaf print version of this I think.

David from Ireland

Frontmatter excerpt here

http://assets.cambridge.org/97805218/43874/frontmatter/9780521843874_frontmatter.pdf

Does anyone have the leather version and want to do a swap or sale of it. I have lots of Allans bibles.

Even a New Living Translation Allans bible!

Stuart

David - what colour is the Allan NLT & how much are you asking for it? You can contact me at [email protected], cheers!

Jared

I was also be very interested in an Allan NLT. Let me know!!!

nick

Any news yet on version of the paragraph Bible for the pews?

Adam

Thanks for the recommending this Bible, I just picked up the hardback up a local bookstore for $55. I looked and looked for the leather version but all I found were too much for my pocketbook. You have turned me on to the single column paragraph format and it really makes reading the Bible easier. To those in the Louisville area, check out the Christian Book Nook, they have good prices and discounts and they will order most anything at a good rate.

Adam

Mark,
did you ever succeed in getting the Penguin rebound?

Bill

With the imminent release of Nelson's mildly paragraphed KJV (see Marks 9/21/09 thread) and the seeming unavailability of any more leather versions of this CNP, I thought I'd give this thread a bit of a bump. So has anyone re-bound the Penguin?

Pete

I also, would really like to be able to get a hold of a leather edition of this Bible. It seems like a really compatible translation for me. Unfortunately, the only edition I can find that is still available is the Hardcover, and I simply cannot justify making this purchase without seeing any pictures.

I cannot find ANY pictures of the hardcover. *Sigh* Its sad that this Bible went unnoticed, it seems like a great edition. I'd really like one, personally. But leather is too expensive, unavailable, and I just can't buy a hardcover without at least seeing a picture of what it looks like.

Adam

Mark,
any word on a Penguin rebind? I want to do it, but I want to see if it will work first. I love the hardback, its just too big to carry around.

bill

Looks like Cambridge listened to Mark...Amazon shows several new versions coming out in June:

1. leather w/o Apocrypha KJ592:T http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0521190630
2. leather with Apocrypha KJ595:TA http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/052119881X
3. hardcover w/o Apocrypha KJ590:T http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0521195012/
4. hardcover with Apocrypha KJ591:TA http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0521762847

The links aren't all working right at http://www.cambridge.org/uk/religious_studies/kjv/ so some more details (like size, page count, etc.) may be coming there.

Adam

Some stats are up now, but it looks like they pushed by the US release to Feb 2011, Amazon UK still has release date as 30 June 2010.

Page extent: 1856 pages
Size: 210 x 140 mm when converted to customary 8.26x 5.5 in


http://www.cambridge.org/catalogue/catalogue.asp?isbn=9780521198813

bill

That sounds like the Penguin paperback dimensions and page count. Should be a very nice KJV Bible.

Wish they'd put topic/chapter headings across the top of the page, italicized in the classic style. But that would be a considerable addition to the David Norton opus.

bill

Photos are now up at both Cambridge/Baker and Amazon sites. Looks like instead of the Penguin layout, it's using a reduced version of the original Cambridge layout, with David Norton's notes on the inside (gutter) margins. Lots of room for notes, but will be a smaller font yet than the Penguin. Oh well, they do call it "personal size"; I probably shouldn't have expected a comfortable typeface.

kurt h

Does anyone know exactly what the font size is on the NCPB Personal Size? I'm very interested but I haven't been able to find out that particular piece of information. I love the Penguin layout (actually, I love the idea of a KJV that's not verse by verse, period!) and I'm seriously considering this one. It's nice that they brought back the Apocrypha for those who are interested. Any comments anyone has based on better knowledge or handling a copy will be greatly appreciated.

bill

Amazon gives the page count for both the "personal size" and the "original size" as the same. Therefore I believe the page layout and the page "breaks" will be the same in both, it's just the personal size is some scale factor smaller. Using the metric measurements for both from the Cambridge site, the personal is 15% shorter in height and 19.5% narrower. So I'd say the scale factor is about 88%. The Cambridge site says the typeface of the original is "10/12.5 Swift". I'd love an explanation of what that means, but CBD.com says the font of the original is 9-10 points, which sounds about right. (I have the original and I'd call it a comfortable 10 points, while my Penquin paperback is barely 9 points.) So applying the 88% scale factor gives ~8.5 points for this new personal one, so a bit smaller than the Penquin, but not by as much as I feared.

One test might be to look at the original's excerpt at http://assets.cambridge.org/97805218/43867/excerpt/9780521843867_excerpt.pdf
and adjust the scaling on your pdf reader until the page width is the 5.25" CBD is quoting. That should be the size of the "personal" product. For me, a lighted screen seems to be more legible than an actual book so this might give you an optimistic estimate of readability, but it's a start.

For comparison, both Crossways and CBD gives the ESV PSR as 7.4pts. For me, that's positively too small. But this new NCPB Personal, at a full point larger, might just be OK. Timed with the 400 anniversary of the 1611 KJV, I hope Cambridge has a winner on their hands with this one. Plus, you have the option to delete the Apocrypha with the Personal, if you want thinner as well as smaller.

Adam

I know its been out less than a week, but does anyone have one yet, any reviews? Inquiring minds want to know? Mark, did you get one?

Adam

I mean the Personal Size. My mind moved faster than the fingers. I want to know if it has errors like the new Cameo w/Apocrypha, which was missing the last part of 2nd Maccabees.

Ryan

Adam,

Word from Baker is that the personal size won't be shipping until may-june time frame.

bill

Adam, Kevin Edgecomb reports in a recent update at http://www.bombaxo.com/blog/?p=456 that the Personals will include the errata corrections that were made in the Penquin paperback relative to the original (large) NCPs. Kevin's a pretty sharp guy, so I'd be inclined to believe him. So my earlier statement that the personals will be "the same" except by a scaling factor may not be exactly true.

Adam

What is the deal with Baker saying June and Amazon saying January? Amazon says it ships in 1 to 3 weeks, starting on 1 Jan 11.

bill

Dunno, Adam. But Baker's info was updated recently and Amazon's is stale so I fear the later date is more accurate.

So WHERE are all these special 2011 editions we've been hearing about?!?!

-Ed.

Amazon says delivery in 1-3 months, not weeks. At least that's what they said today when I ordered mine.

bill

@-Ed, please let us know when you get it. Plus any first impressions.

-Ed.

@bill - Will do. I've been buying many bibles the past few months, which is quite unlike me. Until recently, my last bible purchase was in 1980 when I bought The Companion Bible by the great E. W. Bullinger (an incomparable, indispensable study bible). My recent buying jag began a few months ago when I found a leather-bound Lamsa (who provides great clarity on many so-called difficult verses). A few weeks ago, I decided to celebrate and purchased a 400th anniversary reproduction of a first edition 1611 King James from GreatSite. (WOW!) Last week it was The Note Taker's Bible from LCBP (awesome, we will become great friends), and now the New Cambridge Paragraph. Must be my season for bible buying.

My daily bible, my most used and most beloved, is a Cambridge Cameo Wide Margin purchased in 1975. Its front leather cover is coming unglued from the inside binding, so it's time for a well-earned retirement to a place of honor in my bookcase. That cover coming unglued is what started all this! I'm thinking of a new Cambridge Concord Wide Margin, but will likely wait until I see the Paragraph.

John

Ed, is your wide-margin in good enough shape to rebind or have repaired? Getting bibles rebound is fun!

-Ed.

No bible botox for me, I'm too sentimental a soul. If I could find someone to properly re-glue the existing cover where it has separated, I might go for that.

-Ed.

It is calfskin, by the way. I should have mentioned that earlier perhaps. The New Cambridge Paragraph Bible Personal Size is available in calfskin cover. KJ595:T. According to the Amazon blurb, it was published January 1, 2011.

http://tinyurl.com/6bfe7sv

Greg

With respect to the latest version of this Bible coming soon, the New Cambridge Paragraph Bible Personal Size in Black Calfskin:

I had this Bible on pre-order through Amazon for over a year, when they finally e-mailed me to say that my order had been canceled and they would not be able to fill it.

Strange that Amazon would cancel so late in the game, considering that when I e-mailed the publisher they stated that this Bible is still planned for production soon.

I believe the date on the Baker website of June 11, 2011, is the most accurate as of now. I'm very much looking forward to this Bible, as it looks like many others are too! In the meanwhile, I use my leather-rebound Penguin Classics.

bill

Hate to be a pessimist, but this doesn't sound good. Has Cambridge pulled the plug on this project? Can anyone comment? Perhaps they're just reducing the number of bindings from 4 to 2? (or 1?) Greg, which model had you ordered? 590T, 595T, 590T, or 590TA?

Adam

Evangelical Bible says that the bibles are due in mid May, so hopefully I can retire the huge hardback 2005 edition. I love this bible, I just don't want to have to use a backpack to lug it around.

http://evangelicalbible.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=716

Sordel

Interesting review, thank you. Amazon.co.uk lists the New Paragraph version of the KSJ as forthcoming in a number of new, smaller formats, but certainly previous experience has not been encouraging.

The Folio Society is using this copy text for a limited edition of 1000 (in two volumes) at the not-so-affordable price of £500.

Adam

Evangelical Bible sent me an e-mail today saying that it would now be Novemeber. It makes one wonder if it is ever going to come out.

Steven T. Rogers

The new Clarion edition is scheduled to come out in Aug 2011 and it is also a single column paragraph style KJV

http://evangelicalbible.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=118_169_215&products_id=850


Whats the differences between the two?

John S

The main difference is that the new paragraph bible has the translators margin notes but no cross references. The Clarion has cross references.

Steven T. Rogers

Thanks. i also noticed the Clarion is about 1" shorter and 400pages thicker also the NCPB seems to be a slightly different translation than most KJV.

Man i really hope the new personal size doesnt get the axe.

John S

Evangelical bible has pictures of the New Paragraph. They had posted a picture of the layout of the clarion a week or two ago, but I can't find it now. It's going to be great.

bill

Sorry to mimic my May 5 post, and I again hate to be pessimistic, but the pictures coming down on the EB site doesn't sound good. I'm not sure coming out with both the small NCPB and the Clarion at the same time is good marketing sense anyway and to practically miss all of calendar year 1611+400 through delays (although production delays can be unavoidable) would seem to be a terrible blunder. If the text blocks haven't actually gone into production, gotta' wonder if Cambridge corporate isn't doing some soul-searching right now.

I'd love to be proved wrong. Sounds like the Transettos came out in Europe months before USA...can any or our cosmopolitan friends confirm/deny seeing one of the conventional NCPB or Clarions?

John S

Here's the link to the Clarion page layout from Evangelicalbible.com:

http://evangelicalbible.com/shop/index.php?main_page=popup_image&pID=903

-Ed.

Finally gave up on Amazon months ago and ordered the New Paragraph from Borders, who promised a 4-8 week delivery. No joy; their promised delivery window expired weeks ago. EB may be correct about November, wish Amazon or Borders would say something.

steven t rogers

I actually have an email into cambridge asking when thye will release the new personal size.. maybe Mark can use some of his pull to find out if this thing will ever be released? :)

David from Ireland

I have just got the KJ595:T Calfskin, no apocrypha, it is a keeper for me, and will be my main reading bible. I prefer it to the KJV Clarion editions, having handled all3 the bleedthrough seems much less on the NCPB and more readable as well, the calfskin is good, not great, could have done with being leather lined. But is pleasant to the touch, just not as thick as I would have liked. However my main reason for wanting this is the text block, great formatting and an exact match of the larger original.

bill

Who else has one of these personal NCPBs? How do font size and words-per-line compare with the Clarion?

How about a review, Mark? A hi-rez pic showing all three together (original and personal NCPB and Clarion) would sure be nice!

John S

Bill, I no longer own a Clarion. As I recall, the font size is about the same. Personally, I like the NCPB layout much better, which is why I still own one of those.

Rod Laughlin

Was the Cambridge Paragraph Bible the first bible with paragraphs?

Chrysostom

No, the Douay-Rheims of 1582/1609 was published in paragraphs, as, do I believe, were Tyndale's, the Great Bible, Matthews/Taveners, etc.

The more pertinent question is, "which was the first Bible that started that regrettable trend of verse-by-verse?", and the answer is, "Geneva", after which all other translators (including the revisers of the Douay-Rheims) followed suit. Now, going on 450 years later, Catholics' traditional Bible is still stuck in the crap format pioneered by the Genevan Marian-exile(?) Calvinist Protestants (verse-by-verse), whereas the Calvinist Protestants (and everyone else, including liberal Catholics) have gone back to the original and superior setting of the Elizebethan-exile Catholics.

The Protestants ended up with the superior archaic Catholic layout, and the Catholics with the inferior archaic Protestant layout.

"LOL"

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