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September 21, 2007

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Paul - UK

Check out the Newberry AV single colomn Bible at http://www.penfoldbooks.com/product/74/773, I own one and love it for the single colomn/paragraph layout style to the Newberry study helps to understand the original grammar of the Hebrew and Greek. Highly recommended.

Paul - UK

Correct link (without the ',' at the end): http://www.penfoldbooks.com/product/74/773

william

Hi. I have an 1890 Newberry Bible, which is single column and Paragraphed. a PENFOLDS website sells them here: http://www.penfoldbooks.com/product/1/951

That makes three! ;-)

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well i always love to read your posts, thanks Mark.

Tom H

For what it's worth, as of late December 2010,

1. Penfold Books has been absorbed into another concern ("Ritchie Christian Media"), and the Newberry/Englishman's Bible is no longer offered.

2. Postscript Books, a UK remainder bookseller has an unknown quantity of Today's King James Version, new in hardback, for GBP 3.99. With postage to the US (another GBP 4.00) that's about USD 12 and change. I've ordered one and will offer a brief review when it arrives. Not a "fine" binding from the look of it.

Just thought someone might be interested.

Tom H

bill

Thanks, Tom, for the tip on the BibleFirst TKJVs. I noted Amazon UK said psbooks_ had only 2 copies left. But Amazon's postage to US was 3 pounds more than the site you linked so I followed your lead and ordered direct from PostScriptBooks. I'm thinking that might mean the two of us got their last two copies at the 4 pound price.

I agree we've bought a fine design, but probably not a nice execution binding-wise. However I'm particularly intrigued by the "ragged-right" (left-only) justification of the text, as shown in Mark's snippet. Our new friend, Thomas, in the 11/18 thread, showed us something similar in Dutch (at http://2krogh.dk/bibles/#/biblian-heilog-ritning ) but I'm looking forward to seeing it in English.

bill

My BibleFirst TKJV (2002) finally arrived after 5 weeks of waiting. Customs, I suppose is to blame. TKJV is just KJV except:

1. With modern paragraphing (indenting) at the normal KJV pilcrow marks. Every verse is still numbered, to my dismay, with a large superscripted number right within the paragraph, which rather spoils the whole idea of the paragraph flow approach.

2. With modern quotation marks; but since they're following old paragraphing rules, you can run into quite a bit of dialog all contained within a single paragraph. Sounds odd but I quickly grew used to it. Saves space on the page!

3. With section headings, to the tune of about 3 per chapter, embedded in the text in a bold, all caps, unattractive font. Definitely wastes space on the page!

4. With poetry sections indented as poetry. This tends to be quite attractive in a single column layout, but in 2-column layouts like this, you can get a lot of awkward line breaks.

As with traditional KJVs, there's italics for the implied translational words, and no alternate readings anywhere, which should please the Received Text Only guys.

As far as layout goes, the ragged right is quite effective, and truly seems to aid reading. But the KJV epistle dedicatory, which is the only part of the volume cast in single column with comfortable inner and outer margins, is simply gorgeous, and really leaves you wishing the entire book would have been set that way, even if it required an extra half inch in thickness.

The binding is expertly Smyth sewn, and immediately opens clean and neat and flat. The hardback cover is attractive enough but sheez, wouldn't you expect leather for the Queen's Golden Jubilee, which this volume claims to represent? The text typeface is quite nice, although I wish it were a little bolder/darker/heavier for us aging readers. The paper is only so-so in quality and feel, but at least at .0020" thickness per sheet, ghosting is tolerable. Page edges are trimmed, but square and plain, sorry Your Majesty.

Overall a good, but not great, setting of the KJV. http://www.psbooks.co.uk still shows copies available at under 4 GPB if anyone wants to try out the ragged right, which is really the unique feature here. I hope Nelson (or someone) considers it in in their next release of their Single-Column text bibles, but with a release date of March for the leather, and the "LeatherSoft" editions already shipping, that probably didn't happen.

Tom H

Bill beat me to it, but he's correct in all particulars, so I won't repeat anything.

Bill, I do think you're a bit harsh towards the binding ... I'm sure there were special leather (or other) editions produced; I've seen pictures of slipcased TKJVs in red, white or blue hardcover. Any leather that could be had for GBP 4 (and I realize they're liquidating remainders here) would be inferior to the plain binding it has, and I doubt very much that one of these is what was given Her Majesty ;) . It is a utilitarian binding, but it seems sturdy and does lie flat nicely, which is not as common as it could be.

Otherwise, what Bill said.

IMHO the "personal size" New Cambridge Paragraph Bible that I'm waiting for will probably be as nice as I (we?) will find in anything like a modern printing of the KJV (not that I won't have quibbles with it based on the larger NCPB already in print). I tend to prefer mine with the Apocrypha, which makes the NCPB more of a plus ... KJV with Apocrypha are very hard to find in any binding, even used.

Personally, the layout I like most so far is that of the New Jerusalem Bible (the version with all the notes). It's single-column with marginal references at the outside and verse numbers on the gutter side of the page (the latter are marked by small dots in the text -- it sounds awkward but IMHO is surprisingly usable), footnotes are at the bottom of the right hand page only. I like a certain amount of apparatus, and to my own eye the NJB layout allows my eye to flow over the page smoothly when I just want to read, but to stop and find references or notes easily when I want to do that, all modulo the very small type some of the references have to use. All subjective of course, and I doubt VERY much that I'll ever see a KJV w/ or w/o Apocrypha in that kind of layout. Sigh.

Hope that's helpful to someone.

Tom H

John

Tom, thanks for the tip on Postscript books. I didn't get a TKJV, but they do have some interesting books at excellent prices.

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