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Seraphim

Go Nelson Signature Series!!!!

:^)

I was taking a closer look at my Signature collection the other night. The two Slimline editions (NKJV and KJV as reviewed above), and the pocket companion version are all quite comparable to one another. The pocket version being a bit more cramped, and slightly smaller font size, but very similar in all respects to the Slimlines.

The older NKJV reference edition, however, has always surprised me with the opacity of the pages, there is almost no discernable bleedthrough whatsoever. What I found was that the three other editions were printed in Belgium, and the reference edition was printed here in the USA.

The reference edition I was simply lucky to get. It was my first quality binding Bible purchase, and I more or less just ordered it up on a whim as a closeout from LeatherBibles.

Beginners luck, I suppose.

Thanks for the review, Mark.


And P.S.- Mark, you have cost me some more money as well! Not only from the temptations of this Bible design blog, but upon further perusal, I came across your article about wet shaving, and have now purchased various beast-hair brush, razors, shave accouterments..the whole catastrophe.
Thanks!
;^)

Lanx

If you let the ribbons hang out of the sides instead of the bottom, even the shortest ones will work at the end of the bible. It is even more pratical in use because ribbons protruding from the side can open a book much more easily compared to a ribbon protruding from the bottom.

Greetings from Germany, this is my first comment here although I have read the blog quite a while now.

Christian

Looks like a nice bible :)

I just received some days ago my KJV wide margin goatskin, and it is wonderful and i had no idea what "limp" was until i got this, even as i have "nice" bibles. This one is a artwork. I asked R.L Allan if they did re-bindings, but it was not them who did the actual binding, so they would get in touch with their binder and let me know, I have an old Swedish version id like to re-bind.... that highland goatskin seem nice :) but maybe the price will be to much for my economy. But it will be interesting to see.

And this blog inspired me to review my bible for the Swedish people :P
on my blog http://densmalavagen.webblogg.se/1200685379_cambridge_wide_margin.html

And Mark! when will we get to see your stack(s)?

Jerry

Yes Mark, you are expensive.

I have a Cambridge Pitt Minion NASB and a Nelson Signature KJV Pocket Companion in the mail right now. I will send a picture of my Bible stack once they arrive.

Wet shaving? I have been using a 1956 Gillette Super-Speed with a badger brush and Col. Conk Bay Rum soap for years.

threegirldad

"It's greatest strength is its greatest weakness in my eyes -- that matte-black calfskin. I love the way it feels, but not the way it looks. The fact that this dull-finished stuff has become the *sine qua non* of luxury today is a disappointment. It has a rustic, casual air, and from what I've seen over time, it doesn't develop a patina so much as it simply *dulls*."

Fascinating. I had just the opposite reaction when I got my calfskin NASB, and now that I think about it, I believe it was because I've come to associate "shiny" with "cheap," since "cheap" is the only kind of "shiny" I have experience with.

charles hadden

Well, thanks alot guys. I was thinking of waiting for some far off day to get an allan bros. with the esv updated text but no someone had to mention the signature series. As I was looking around the web about that I discovered a NKJV Thompson Chain in the Signature Series. I have thought about getting a leather TCRB for awhile (have a hardback NIV). I managed to talk myself into ordering it from Amazon!!!!

Now for a couple other questions. What do you think of Kirkbride's binding on their TCRB? What about the various bindins on the NET Bible including their basic bonded and their deluxe leather??

Jerry

I have a Kirkbride Thompson that I purchased some 20 years ago. The leather is OK, nothing more. It will be in my "Bible stack" picture.

I purchased a NET Compact Bible in "premium leather" and it is very poor bonded leather. I have handled better cardboard. This Bible didn't even have a ribbon, the verse number scheme is terrible, and I won't be purchasing anything else from them.

David

Hi ... just found your blog. Thanks for all the great information and references to reliable book binders.
Question I want to get a new Thompson Chain Reference and was wondering about the Signature Series... have you reviewed the Thompson specifically vs the new Nelson Study Bible.
Also, would it be better to take a Thompson Chain Hardback and send it to a book binder to gain a high quality binding, etc.
David

Pastor Ron Parish

I own a Nelson Signature Series KJV Reference Bible, which was purchased in June of 2003. I only use this bible for special occasions. It has center-column references, too.

A problem has only recently developed, and I'm in a dilemma regarding the issue. Some of the pages are beginning to tear out, and that's not good. The problem is Nelson no longer makes this particular bible. My eyes have a lot of trouble with the new crop of Signature Series; the fonts are too small. I believe my bible has 11 or 11.5 point fonts, and is quite readable, whereas the UltraSlim is set at 8 points (big difference to me).

Does anyone know where I might purchase another bible like the one I have. I do believe the ISBN is 2009. Thanks.

In Christ,

Pastor Ron

Pastor Ron Parish

An update to my last post is in order. First of all, I really don't know what the ISBN is; the reference number given before comes from customer service at Nelson Publishing. One more thing, I really don't believe my bible to be printed with an 11 point font. It is more likely 9 or 9.5 point, but there was nothing in the box indicating the size.

I sent my Signature Series to Eric at Leonard's Book Restoration for repair. It seems Nelson's missed a signature (page grouping) when the bible was sewn. I can hardly wait to see the results.

Pastor Ron

Pastor Ron Parish

My Nelson Signature Series Reference Bible came in the mail yesterday, and I must say, Eric at Leonard's Book Restoration did a wonderful job fixing the problem. What he told me is that when the Bible was bound, a signature was partially missed, resulting in the problem I had.

He carefully fixed the issue, and even included a third ribbon bookmark, matching the other two. My question is, "how have I managed all the years I've been using my Bibles without three markers?" That should be standard equipment, IMHO.

Thanks, Mark, for providing rebinding links as part of your incredible site.

Pastor Ron

David

Anyone know where I can get a reference version of the KJV Signature series - even secondhand - I live in the UK but I would consider buying anywhere.

Thanks

David

Peter Paul Banzon

I own two NKJV pocket bibles, a British Tan bonded leather ( i know you hate attaching the word bonded to the word leather) edition with slide tab and a Black and Tan Royal soft edition. These two bibles have served me well and I can take them everywhere and subject them to the elements without feeling guilty. The Royal Soft edition is my favorite though it seems well constructed, it lays flat and the feel of the synthetic material is indeed one of soft leather. Now why did I have to get the signature series pocket bible? Mark, your review of the KJV slim line signature bible caused a eureka moment for me and I decided to have the top of the line bible in these line of NKJV Pocket bibles. When I opened the box and unwrapped the white covering paper, I was amazed at the softness and suppleness of the black calf leather binding. It felt right and smelled right.Having in my possession the top of the line editions of Cambridge bibles and Allan's bibles i thought i would never be impressed by a bible produced by Thomas Nelson. However I think Nelson finally outdid itself with the signature series. I was tired, really tired of nelson bibles falling apart because of poor binding and all that paste and glue ensemble which i endured early on in my life of faith and ministry. (Then I discovered Cambridge and years later, the glorious ones at Allan's) But this signature Pocket edition may well live up to its claim to be an heirloom. It is smythe sewn and lays flat, although this edition may need a little more break-in to really do a flat split because of the thick endleaves on both ends of the bible. If the paper used was an notch higher, this Pocket bible would be comparable to the slimline edition. This bible I now use when I want to read the scriptures in a pocket size edition with the added bonus of putting on soft calfskin leather gloves.

Ron Parish

I just got home from Campmeeting a few days ago with a couple of new Bibles: a Cambridge text-only in French Morocco, and a Signature Series in the NCV. I never read the NCV before last week, and after sitting down with it for a short period of time, I've come to the conclusion it's definitely not my favorite version.

Now, on to the Signature Series Bible. After seeing the quality of my older Signature Series Reference Edition, I am somewhat disappointed in this new one. It was printed in China instead of the States. It just has the feel of "cheap" about it. Now, the price was so good, there was no way to pass it up. Actually, I got both Bibles for $60.00.

"Holy Bible" on the spine is off-centered and not crisp at all. The paper has more bleed-through than should be allowed, and it doesn't seem to be the same quality as my other Signature Bible.

The cover and binding are wonderful, though. All in all, I can't really complain. I'll keep the Bible and possibly give it as a gift one day. I would even trade it for another brand new Signature Series if that were possible. Is there anyone who would like to trade for a Signature Series Personal Size Giant Print Reference Bible?

Pastor Ron

Seraphim

Those older Signature Series Reference editions are a rare breed, as well as being a breed apart!

They had the best paper opacity of ANY Bible I own.

I have the NKJV reference edition and there is nothing that I would trade it for!

I also have two of the newer slimlines (NKJV and KJV), and the pocket companion Bible. All of which are quite nice in their own right, but as has happened to you, once you've had the pleasure of owning the Reference edition, made in USA version, you are pretty much ruined for any other....

Brian McClurg

I've had three of these and all felt nice, looked nice and fell apart fast. So I give this Bible (For any KJV Bible Preacher) ten thumbs down.

hayden

i have a signature, and once i forgot it on top of my car, and while i going 70 on the highway, i saw it fly off my car. i pulled over and watched helplessly while it was run over repeatedly. i ran and retrieved it, and the pages were a little crumpled, and there was a small scratch on the leather, but besides that, it was fine.

Samual Stegall

I have been using a signature Series KJV Bible for several years now as my main preaching Bible. I love the feel of the calfskin and the font size is perfect for me to read behind the pulpit. I just bought my wife the pocket version for her birthday. I wish Nelson would extend the signature series to include a Thompson Chain Reference in KJV.

Chris Spenner

Anyone seen what appears to be a Nelson Signature Series (logo on side, not the name) bound in calfskin but two-tone black/red? It is NKJV "UltraSlim". I picked one up at a clearance store, but can't find any online that match the ISBN or even the box design. I have a photo, not sure how to share it here. I presume it is sewn, and that the cover really is calfskin, but the list price showed $59, and it was deeply discounted from there. That just seems really low for calfksin, if this truly is a sewn Signature Series.

mike smith

Chris I think I saw and compared the older version of the signature series with the one sam club was selling for around that price. It no comparison the older was calfskin this seemed a cheaper leather and the paper seemed thinner, and the quality was lacking. I would say call nelson pub and just asked. The older was $ 100.00 plus for the thinline.

Chris Spenner

Yeah, I called Nelson, and tried to explain what I was seeing, and the person on the phone really had no idea. And they could not match the ISBN.
Since then, I found it online at http://cdios.calvaryd.org/product_info.php?cPath=53_65&products_id=10741

The paper inside the box clearly calls it a Signature Series, and carries a lifetime warranty. THe binding is sewn. And at least the black section of the cover seems to be calfskin, though on the thin side. Maybe this is exclusive to this distributor, but something is missing to have a list price of $59.99.

Chris Spenner

Turns out, with confirmation now from Nelson, it was a special product made for a specific book seller, and it would normally retail for $129.99. Sewn bibding, cover, including the red, is calfskin. Version is NKJV. I know of two more out there for sale just down the street, $30 each, one in black/red and the other all black. If anyone is interested or wants one, I can pick it up and ship it domestically for what it costs to do so.

Ben

I'm trying my best to not yield to temptation. Would you be able to the Bibles a thorough "once-over" before you purchase them? Just to make sure there are no flaws in printing/binding. . .

Chris

Sure, I could do that. I can check on the return policy, too, and try to snap some photos of them for you before you commit to anything. The cover is stitched along with being glued to the liner, so that quality is there already. I can tell you in mine, I went through it page by page, running my finger inside the spine to "break it in", it's not completely as smooth a feel as in my Cambridge, but then I guess I might not expect it to be. Still, it was $30, and Nelson will back it for life, even if you have a problem down the road.

Ben

The lifetime warranty is wonderful -- the only problem is that their various editions have a short print run. If we do have a problem down the road, our replacement Bible might not resemble our original one.

Still, I'm a big fan of the NKJV. I love the footnotes, they give the variant readings, so I know what other modern verions say, but without using value statements like, "the oldest and best manuscripts omit. . ."

Ok, against advice from my wallet, I'd like to get one. Thanks for your willingness to share and help. Here's my email -- ebenezereperez@hotmail.com

God bless. . .

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