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kyle

Mark,

Next review, take a little time and try to cover things in a little more in detail.

As I stated in an earlier post, I pre-purchased one of these on Amazon and received it earlier. The size of the font is not, to me, as problematic as the boldness of the font. It is easier for me to read the much smaller print of the Pitt Minion than this Bible.

I do, however, agree with you that this is an important Bible to support. I was glad I purchased mine based upon principal alone. A great binding, readable type, paragraphed, and a good translation are, for me, of the utmost importance. And as Meatloaf would probably sing today (since it is an even greater percentage), three out of four ain't bad. I truly hope sales prove the need for an excellent single paragraph Bible. Buying one sends a great message to publisher I believe.

Speaking of sending a great message, I am hopeful that all of us who take advantage of your hard work on this blog take the time to both purchase and read Rethinking Worldview. As a note to anyone who may read this post, I purchased and read the book strictly as a "thank you" to Mark for all of his hard work on his blogs. I looked forward to reading it about like I look forward to pulling my Breathe Right strip off each morning. But the book was simply outstanding. I highly recommend it! Section II on Wisdom is only AMAZING. Anyway, for those of you who have not purchased AND read the book yet, let me suggest that, as a great way to thank Mark, you click on the icon, go to Amazon, purchase one, and then come back and post your thanks to him. If someone has posted this request previously in a more appropriate thread, my apologies for the duplication.

DAvid Swain

Mark,

FYI, the TNIV was just released in a single-column reference edition in a similar page layout to this ESV version (although the references are on the outside edge). There have also been a few different NLT (and now NLTse) single-column reference editions, but they are different in that the references are at the end of each paragraph.

matt blair

What a tremendous review Mark. Very thorough and thoughtful.

Steve Robenalt

Mark - well covered. Thanks for the review. Can't wait for mine to arrive. One thing I also noticed about this edition after looking over one at a local store was the line spacing. I believe this is also critical for a single column edition with so much text together on a page. What I like about my hard back Message Remix (like your photo above) is that the publisher has done a good job of leaving plenty of space between lines to make for easier reading on the eyes. I would add this along with larger text to a hopeful next edition.

Jerry

Mark,

You make good points about purchasing this version so as to show Crossway that they are largely on the right track. As a result, I just ordered a Tru-Tone copy from Monergism, which gave me a good excuse to also order a copy of your book. I look forward to both.

Thanks for the amount of thought that you put into these reviews.

Don

Thanks for all your great reviews. I just examined this edition at a local bookstore, and feel this is getting closer to my ideal bible for daily reading. However, my own preference is to have a single column edition without cross references or any other such distractions. I would drop the line around the text, and the cross references - as well as the book headings. For me, this would make for a clean look with more white space (possibly allowing for a slightly larger font). If I'm in study mode rather than reading mode, I have several other editions I can pull off the shelf. I want a single column mainly for reading.

Dale

I just received my copy today and have noticed that there is definitely some variability in the density of the ink. Certain pages are much lighter than others and this contributes to the readability problems with the small font size. I would love to see a version of this bible using a larger font and more pages.

Rod Summers

Thanks for the analysis. I had ordered a genuine leather PR but got impatient and picked up the chestnut at a local bookstore. Spent time reading several epistles and had hoped to preach/teach from it on Sunday. I really had a problem with the font and lightness. It really made my eyes tired. And as I mentioned before, trying to teach from it proved tough as it was easy to look up and then lose your place. But, I will keep the genuine leather I ordered. (Returned the other.) Got to keep the collection going. There was an NIV single column with inside references published in the 90s by Zondervan (it was a modification of the current single column you can purchase at Cambridge.) I gave mine away to one searching, but I'd love to find another used one.

ElShaddai Edwards

Great review - thanks for posting on this. FWIW, the TNIV Reference Bible suffers from the same problem as this edition: the body text is too small for its single column layout. Zondervan needed to bump it up to 10 or 11pt size text to balance it to the page size and reference column. To my eyes, Foundation's layout with their single-column NASB Reference Bible is close to ideal, though it is the verse-by-verse format, not paragraph.

Kyle Hedrick

Jerry,

Thanks for the purchase of both books. My father always told me that such purchases were like casting votes in favor of the product or service you favored. These great Bible reviews, not to mention the countless contacts he has with publishers, provides us with countless hours of fun. and therefore all the reason in the world to be an owner of Marks's outstanding book Rethinking Worldview. You will benefit by this experience.

Bennet McLean

Thanks for the review, J. Mark.

Actually, paragraphed single-columned Bibles with the references in the inside margin have been continually mass-produced since 1988 in Tyndale's Life Application Study Bible. It is unfortunate that it has taken other publishers so long to catch up, but hopefully this means the floodgates have been opened and we'll see this format a lot more often.

The Life Application Study Bible has the same problem with the column measure and averages the same amount of words per line. It does have wider margins on either side though, the references have a lot more breathing room and don't hide in the inside margin. Funnily enough, this study Bible doesn't separate the references from the text with a line (though it does make up for it with two lines at the bottom to separate the translators' notes from the study notes, hehe!).

GJ

Not sure if this is breaking rules, but I did want to share with everyone that likes this edition of the ESV. I've found a great price on the calfskin edition over at www.superbookdeals.com. I've bought from them before with no problems. After shipping the cost is under $119.

Again...sorry! I hate coming across as advertising some website!!!!

David Dewey

Two comments:
First, one of my prefered single-column reference Bibles is the Harper Study Bible (not to be confused with the HarprCollins one). Originally in the RSV with notes from Harold Lindsell, but now available in NRSV (hardback only) with updated notes. In the UK, it was called the Eyre and Spottiswoode Study Bible (RSV), and can still be found secondhand (try abebooks). Cambridge did a lovely leather edition (Fr. Morocco)which I have got, as well as a older s/hand hardback. The word count averages 12 words per line. References are in the outer margin. References are the same as the Cambridge two-column RSV Brevier reference edition (of which I have three copies!)

Second, I gather there are some other bindings of the ESV Personal Edition in the pipeline for the end of June (though Crossway are often late on delivery). These include two stripey tru-tones and one portfolio trutone, already available in other editions.

Sam

thanks for the very interesting review. i also generally prefer small and thick to large and thin so wouldn't mind a larger font/smaller pages.

was wondering if anyone knows anything about Anglicized versions of this edition, and whether Allan might be pursuaded to produce an edition of this setting?

David Dewey

The Allan's editions all employ the anglicised text (currently the same text block as the Collins anglicised hardback editions though they plan to change that). There is an anglicised compact edition but that is all. I would not expect to see an anglicised personal edition, but I am not sure if the upcoming Cambridge Pitt Minion editions will be the US or the UK text. Anybody know?

Also, do be aware there is a deluxe compact edition in the pipeline (end of April?) that should be an improvement of the current compact editions. Slightly larger (and different) font. (6.55 pt Lexicon vv 6.2 pt Berkley); black letter (v. red); 12,000-entry concordance; no cross-refs; 3.875″ x 6″ (vs. 3.75" x 5.75"); ribbon.

David Dewey

Oh, and the new deluxe compact editions will be sown. Details of ESV February blog

Bill

I agree with kyle's comments, I'm going to buy a copy of and read Rethinking Worldview as a thank you to Mark for all the work he puts into this website. I greatly appreciate it. I've heard its an excellent book.

Jerry

According to the latest Cambridge catalog the upcoming Pitt-Minion ESV will have Americanized text.

Jerry

According to the latest Cambridge catalog the upcoming Pitt-Minion ESV will have Americanized text.

Clay Knick

I wish I could be more enthusiastic about this ESV Bible.
The print is not bold enough and is way too small. Why
do publishers continue to publish Bibles with such small
print? It is possible to print a nice Bible with good
a good readable font. The NIV Bold Ref. is an example.
I have an NRSV that is no longer in print, I'm sad to
say, and it has the best font in a Bible its size I've
ever seen. I just wish publishers did not market their
Bibles to fill so many perceived needs among readers.

This is a great review though. Mark, when it ocmes to
Bibles you are the man!

Jesus Saenz

For those who are interested in an Allan's version of this edition are gonna' wait quite a while! Allan's uses text blocks form Collins, in the UK. Collins is not intending on publishing this edition therefore you will not see R.L. Allan making this. Sad, I know. There are licensing and copyright issues that go along with this as well. Besides, I doubt many publishers want to be upstaged by a small custom binder like R.L. Allan. As Much as I like the calfskin editions from Crossway, my Allan's Bibles are still tip top!

Jesus Saenz

Here is my review of it

http://souldesaenz.wordpress.com/2008/03/12/personal-size-reference-esv-review/

Ted

I thought the ESV Literary Study Bible was the 'first single-column, paragraphed setting of the ESV text'. Does it not count because it removed the headings? Just curious.

J. Mark Bertrand

Ted -- You're right. I should have made it clear in the review that I'm talking about "regular" editions, as opposed to study Bibles. Single column settings are more common in study editions than they are in regular Bibles, but I've never really found it practical to carry around a study Bible -- for me, they reside on the shelf, not in the hand. So yes, the Literary Study Bible was the first paragraphed, single-column text of the ESV, but it's only available with the LSB apparatus. This is the first "general-use" paragraphed, single-column edition.

Samson

Has anyone ever tried any type of leather conditioner to soften the "genuine" leather bible a bit? I know that it's not truly leather but would it help any? I'm tempted to put some of my baseball glove oil on it and break it in a bit by putting it under a mattress (baseball joke, don't ever do that with your glove or bible). I've read that your hand oils break in the leather a bit but why not go for with the stuff made for it? Just thought I'd throw that out there.

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